The Wiretap Tv EP.5 "HI HATER"

[00:00:01] Speaker A: All right, y'all, welcome to episode 44. [00:00:05] Speaker B: Four. Yeah. [00:00:06] Speaker A: Episode 44. We are back. Back last week we didn't have our beautiful commentator and handsome co host. [00:00:15] Speaker B: Did you miss me? [00:00:16] Speaker A: They had some business to hand back. [00:00:19] Speaker B: It wasn't business. I went to go see my goddamn nana. [00:00:21] Speaker A: We went to see his nana. Nothing wrong with seeing grandma. My grandma's birthday was yesterday and. [00:00:26] Speaker B: Happy birthday, Nana. [00:00:27] Speaker A: Happy birthday, Grandma. Older Nana turned 74. [00:00:30] Speaker B: Okay. My nana will be 75 this year. [00:00:32] Speaker A: Oh, so they're the year apart. [00:00:34] Speaker B: Yep. We went down there to celebrate my dad's birthday. Well, his birthday was actually Wednesday, which was the 19th. He would have been 55. So is she from. Is she from there, North Carolina? Nah, Nana is from Patterson, New Jersey, along with me. [00:00:48] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah. My grandmother's originally from Pocomoke City, which is in the eastern shore of Maryland. [00:00:53] Speaker B: I know. Well, I've heard of it. I've never been a day in my life. [00:00:55] Speaker A: And her, her mother is originally from. You know, I didn't find out she was mixed until I was like 25. Who? My grandmother. For real? Yeah. I didn't. I never knew she was. [00:01:04] Speaker B: What does she mix? [00:01:05] Speaker A: Black and white. [00:01:06] Speaker B: Oh, for real? [00:01:07] Speaker A: Yeah. She's like. But she's like Liz complexion, like my. [00:01:09] Speaker B: Dad'S side of the family. So they're Native American and black. But my dad is like the darkest thing that came out of that family. Like his father, his aunts, my grandma, great grandmother, B. All of them are real. Fair skin, pretty hair. Yeah, he's the darkest one, but with the same hair, though. [00:01:32] Speaker A: We have a family picture together. Because I was the darkest one as well. Like, you automatically see me like everybody else is light skinned or like Leah's complexion, and then it's just me. Yeah. [00:01:42] Speaker B: White wall and then your black ass. [00:01:46] Speaker A: But the funny thing is, when I found out, right, she was like going, my grandma loves to clean, okay? She will clean just for no reason. But she was hanging up some pictures, right? And it was her and her sisters. Mind you, I think it's 10 of them, but now it's nine. Not me, eight. We lost my aunt back in 2016, and my other aunt we lost two years ago, I believe. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:11] Speaker A: But she was hanging the picture up. And I'm like, grandma, who is this white man y'all sitting around? She's like, that's my daddy. I was like, that's a white man. [00:02:23] Speaker B: It's not your daddy. [00:02:24] Speaker A: She's like, yes, he was Jewish and white. I was like, you're mixed. She was lying. [00:02:30] Speaker B: To me, yeah. [00:02:30] Speaker A: I'm like, what the. Like, I've never known this. But anyway, yeah, that's how I found out she was mixed. And it made sense because her hair changed color. So, like, during the winter, it turns red. [00:02:40] Speaker B: Okay. [00:02:41] Speaker A: Like, it gets red, like, around her edges. [00:02:44] Speaker B: But my nana just got naturally. I guess she was blessed with nice hair. A lot of you, not. That lady cooked everything but the sink while we was down there. You hear me? Like that. My grandma, the same way that made it. That made her week, month, so on and so forth. She even made to go. To go stuff. [00:03:00] Speaker A: Actually, both my grandmothers cook because I'm, you know, I'm like, I'm fortunate enough to have both of my grandmothers, right? My great grandmother passed away in 2011, but she used to make. Every Sunday, she used to bake a cake from scratch. [00:03:12] Speaker B: Huh. [00:03:12] Speaker A: Every Sunday now she made chocolate cake. And then I think it was coconut cake, which I didn't eat. I don't. Coconut? [00:03:18] Speaker B: Yeah. I hate coconut cake. It's a texture. Yeah. [00:03:22] Speaker A: But people like it. [00:03:23] Speaker B: I guess they do. Look, yo, so my grandmother, back in the day used to make chicken and dumplings, right? So, you know, she's getting up and up there in age or whatever, so, you know, she can't eat certain things. She made this called chicken and pastries. Chicken and pastries, which is. And you. With that, I thought, like, did this lady make chicken and cake? Some type of pie, but. Because I never had it before, but it's like she made like these, you know, like those. What are they called? It's a type of noodle or something like that. But it's like, it looks like a bow tie. [00:04:01] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, I know. I know. [00:04:03] Speaker B: Something like that. But she did like the. The chicken and dumplings, but with the. With those. Those bow tie noodles. [00:04:12] Speaker A: And man, listen, this was hitting, yo. I was also fortunate enough. And I know we about to start this pod. [00:04:17] Speaker B: Yeah, we are, but we talking. [00:04:21] Speaker A: I lived in the building that was predominantly Jamaican and Trinity, right. Amazing, by the way, because it always smelled good in there. [00:04:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Food hit. [00:04:31] Speaker A: I was fortunate enough to get cool. Well, I had known her from elementary school, but my neighbor Stacy shot with Stacy, her mother, Ms. Gloria. Like, she could cook her ass off, but. [00:04:41] Speaker B: Right. [00:04:42] Speaker A: She made. I don't know what that shit was called, but it was like a homemade hot pocket with jerk chicken in it. [00:04:49] Speaker B: Jesus. [00:04:49] Speaker A: And rice beans. And that shit was so amazing, bro. [00:04:53] Speaker B: That drink sound fire. [00:04:55] Speaker A: It was good. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Sign me up on one of them. Double click on it. [00:04:57] Speaker A: Like, she made the bread, stuffed it with the jerk chicken and. [00:05:02] Speaker B: And the rice. [00:05:03] Speaker A: Rice and peas. [00:05:04] Speaker C: Sound like a Jamaican calzone. [00:05:06] Speaker A: Is that what that is? [00:05:07] Speaker C: No, it sounds like it. [00:05:08] Speaker A: But it was amazing. That hit. And I had, like. [00:05:12] Speaker B: I've never had a. A dead beef patty. [00:05:14] Speaker A: Right from that point on, I begged her to make that again and again and again, but she never made it. But anyway, I got an interesting question for you. [00:05:25] Speaker B: Shoot. [00:05:27] Speaker A: This might be a dumb question. [00:05:29] Speaker B: Here the we go. Come on. [00:05:30] Speaker A: Is Mario from New York or Japan? [00:05:34] Speaker C: Huh? [00:05:34] Speaker A: He's Super Mario. [00:05:36] Speaker C: Super Mario. [00:05:36] Speaker A: Is he from New York or Japan? [00:05:38] Speaker B: So, no, that would. No, that was. That was Street Fighter that. The chick was breaking down what they were saying. [00:05:48] Speaker A: But you know who made him, right? [00:05:50] Speaker B: Nigga, he from New York. I'm going with that. [00:05:52] Speaker C: Really? I don't. I don't understand any of this. [00:05:55] Speaker B: I'm going with he from New York. [00:05:56] Speaker A: It's a random question. But I thought about it the other day. Cause I seen somebody had posted like, Mario with a New York hat on. Like, talking like, right, he was from New York. But then I thought about it. I'm like, isn't the gang Japanese? So how was he from New York? [00:06:09] Speaker B: Cause to be politically correct, what would be their ethnicity? [00:06:17] Speaker C: He's from Super Mario World. [00:06:19] Speaker A: No, that nigga is from Japan. [00:06:21] Speaker B: Them niggas move to New York too? [00:06:22] Speaker A: I mean. Yes, that's true. But anyway, that nigga from New York problem. So let's start this pod, as always. Like, follow and subscribe. And if you feeling what, frisky? [00:06:32] Speaker B: Go ahead and comment. Cause Reese fucked that up last night. [00:06:34] Speaker A: Week. Oh, my God. Yes, he did. [00:06:37] Speaker B: What he say something like, if you're frisky. [00:06:43] Speaker A: But as always, let's spin that intro. All right, y'all, we back. We're gonna get into these topics, but before we do, we got to do our mental health check in. Like I said, we got Keon back, we got Leah back, and we got our camera lady, Bri back. Sorry, Bri. So let's start with the wonderful ladies of the pod. Leah, how was your week? [00:07:17] Speaker C: Week was cool. Went to Mexico two weeks ago. [00:07:21] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:07:22] Speaker C: Took the kids. They had a wonderful one. [00:07:24] Speaker A: You bring that? [00:07:25] Speaker C: Yeah. So that was a good time. And just been doing, like, some self reflecting this week. My sister got me this really cool journal. It's. It's called the Fuck it journal. [00:07:40] Speaker A: Oh. [00:07:40] Speaker C: It's a journal to unfuck your life. And it's just. It's just a fun way to just. Just journal and just jot down Some thoughts and, like, work through some things. Like it's one page called the rage page, where you just, like, jot down your angry feelings. The next page is like, okay, now how you do Work through the. Work through the. [00:07:57] Speaker A: Work through the rage. So it's like having a therapist in a sense. [00:07:59] Speaker C: Right? [00:08:00] Speaker A: So that's pretty neat. Yeah, I like that. It was fun. You said you was in Mexico. Like, how was the culture down there? [00:08:08] Speaker C: It was a lot of Caucasians at the resort. [00:08:10] Speaker A: Really. [00:08:10] Speaker C: But it was a really, really nice resort. [00:08:12] Speaker A: Okay. [00:08:13] Speaker C: It was called the Moon Palace. Very family friendly. But it was like spring break for middle, Middle America. So it was a lot. A lot of those people out there, A couple white drunk women was trying to get me back to the room. So beautiful. [00:08:32] Speaker A: All drunk and sloppy. [00:08:34] Speaker B: Man, get away from me. [00:08:36] Speaker A: But I'm glad you had a good time. Glad you had a good week. Bri, how was your week? [00:08:42] Speaker C: You know, coming from being sick off the flu? My first week back from work, it actually went pretty quick. [00:08:49] Speaker A: She's lying, yo. Right. [00:08:51] Speaker C: I was in Mexico getting my work. [00:08:53] Speaker B: Sorry, my bad. [00:08:56] Speaker A: Glad you feeling better and aren't any longer. Yeah, feeling better. You're not sick. [00:09:04] Speaker B: Yeah, work was. [00:09:05] Speaker C: Work has been, you know, pretty good. It's my first week back. [00:09:09] Speaker B: I actually did need that little mental. [00:09:10] Speaker C: Break, but it's been fine. [00:09:12] Speaker A: That's what's up. We all need mental breaks from work because you know them, because the moment we die, it's us. But go ahead. [00:09:22] Speaker B: I had a little razzle dazzle this week. [00:09:24] Speaker A: Yeah, we spoke on it. [00:09:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's had a little razzle dazzle. I was inconven. My dad's birthday was on Wednesday. That was cool. Work was cool. [00:09:33] Speaker A: Shout out that, you know, I mean. [00:09:35] Speaker B: Shout out to my pops. Rest in peace, Hanif. Other than that, you know me, I. I don't really stress over much. If I can't change it. It is what it is. [00:09:46] Speaker A: It is. [00:09:47] Speaker B: Call it a goddamn day tomorrow. New day. Start fresh and do it all over again. [00:09:52] Speaker A: I feel that. I feel that pause. My week was cool. I actually felt like the week went by really quick. [00:09:58] Speaker B: Yeah, it's been. It's been flying then, you know. [00:10:00] Speaker A: Yeah, Mark's got somewhere to be. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Yeah, we got the party next. [00:10:03] Speaker A: Yeah. T was like, yo, the party is next week. I'm like, yeah, you write the party. I'm like, yo, shit is fine. Somewhere to be. [00:10:09] Speaker B: Yeah, Buddy came in and fitted me for my outfit today and, you know, do the final measurements and he's wearing a dress yes. [00:10:15] Speaker C: All these boxes right here. [00:10:17] Speaker B: Yeah, we transported over there Cardi Playboy Carti style now. [00:10:20] Speaker A: But yeah, you gonna get your nails painted? [00:10:23] Speaker B: Hell, yeah. Black for the black party. Keon is having an all black party, and I will have black nails. [00:10:30] Speaker A: I'm wearing all white. [00:10:32] Speaker B: And you gonna be in the parking lot. [00:10:36] Speaker A: But. All right, y'all, let's get into these topics. We've. We've changed our dynamic. We are now a freestyle pod. We will talk about things in the culture, but for the most part, we will be freestyling this. Because we good at that. [00:10:50] Speaker B: Yes, because we good at that. All the explanations. We good at that part. [00:10:54] Speaker A: Yes. [00:10:54] Speaker B: We're just being ourself and having a wait. [00:10:56] Speaker A: Before we start, I got another question. Ah, I asked this yesterday, right? [00:11:01] Speaker B: I'm asleep. [00:11:02] Speaker A: Wake up. [00:11:03] Speaker B: Mr. Kenan. Don't know. [00:11:06] Speaker A: All right. Would you rather have $5,000 a month for the rest of your life and or free mortgage for the rest of your life? You gotta choose, though, which one would it be? [00:11:18] Speaker B: I told you yesterday. I said. I said free mortgage. And I say that because this. Right. And can I break it down? So my reasoning for free mortgage is right, granted, you got your other utilities that's in the house, but you're taking a big lump sum of money out of what you may have to pay. And granted, you're still working. Yes, it does free up money, but that's other money that you could put somewhere else or do something else that you been wanting to do for the house renovations, so on and so forth. So I'm take the free mortgage. The $5,000 a month will probably cover your mortgage and your bills that you have within your household. So you still not gonna say broke, but you still. Now, you just. All right, so you may have your paycheck now that you can do spend freely, but either way, I feel as though that you will fuck the money up if you're not responsible because you got extra income. And ain't no such thing as that, but you got extra income now. So I say free mortgage and fuck that $5,000. [00:12:21] Speaker A: How about you, Liv? [00:12:21] Speaker C: Definitely taking the $5,000 a month, because I'm gonna pay. I'll take half of that. Pay the mortgage and have the pocket. Right? [00:12:27] Speaker A: So I. I did the math. $5,000 a month is what, 60,000 a year? [00:12:31] Speaker B: Mm. [00:12:31] Speaker A: I'm personally going to take. [00:12:33] Speaker B: I did the math. [00:12:34] Speaker A: Well, I mean, it's still the same. [00:12:35] Speaker B: Number, but I did it. You tried to take my credit and my shine. [00:12:39] Speaker A: I mean, I actually double up your Mortgage payments. [00:12:42] Speaker C: Pay your mortgage off in 10 years. [00:12:43] Speaker A: And I'm gonna take the free mortgage then. [00:12:45] Speaker C: You don't got no mortgage now. You got $5,000 free and no mortgage. [00:12:48] Speaker A: Yeah, but then it's like if you take the free mortgage, that's one. Like, one thing you like. You ain't got to worry about is ever being homeless. [00:12:55] Speaker C: But you gotta think about the long run. [00:12:57] Speaker A: What's the long run? [00:12:58] Speaker C: The long run is what I just said. If you double. If you take that free $5,000 a month and you still working and you just paying the mortgage. 5000 and you're doubling up your mortgage. Say your mortgage. 2400 and you're doubling up your payments, your mortgage will be paid off and say 10 years versus 30. So in 10 years, your mortgage is paid off, you have no mortgage. And now you also have the additional $5,000 a month for the rest of your life, plus whatever else you're making. [00:13:21] Speaker A: God damn it. I hate women. I didn't think of that. [00:13:25] Speaker B: I'm with you. [00:13:26] Speaker A: I didn't think of that. She's right. She's absolutely right. [00:13:29] Speaker B: It is right. [00:13:29] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:13:30] Speaker B: I'm going with what I said. I broke my down, so I'm going with that. I got to ride with it. Got to stand on that. [00:13:36] Speaker A: Now she got me rethinking my whole thought process. [00:13:39] Speaker C: Bri, let's get into the question. Oh, Bri. Go ahead, Bri. Yeah, I kind of agree with Lia. [00:13:46] Speaker B: All right. [00:13:47] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. All right. Let's get into these topics. [00:13:50] Speaker B: Yeah. Talking about frivolous. [00:13:52] Speaker A: Right. I don't even know why I asked the damn question. [00:13:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it was your random question. [00:13:57] Speaker A: Go ahead, Leah. [00:13:58] Speaker C: So Jarius had apparently had a meltdown. [00:14:01] Speaker B: Shout out to Jess. [00:14:02] Speaker A: Yeah, shout out to Jess. Baltimore Rays, you know, that's the product of Baltimore right there. [00:14:06] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:07] Speaker A: We love you, Jess. [00:14:08] Speaker C: We love you. And I didn't see any of this because I'm not on social media. [00:14:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:11] Speaker C: Just had a meltdown, apparently, and was upset about Lauren being. I guess I don't be in her replacement. What do y'all think about that incident? And does she have the right to be upset? Was it warranted? Like, how do you think that she handled the whole situation? [00:14:27] Speaker A: All right, so I'm gonna give our commentator. It's not on social media, so I have to give a backstory. So pretty much when Jess got pregnant, she went on maternity leave, and they asked Jess who would she want to sit in for her while she was on maternity leave. She actually chose Lauren to sit in. [00:14:47] Speaker C: She like A social media person. [00:14:49] Speaker A: No, she. She's actually. She actually went to school. No, she actually went to school for, like, radio journalism. Yeah, she actually went to school for that, which is probably why Jess chose her. So when Jess came back, she was still there. So the. The. The conversation from what she explained was this person was just going to sit in. Right. And then when I come back, she's gonna be gone. Right, Right. [00:15:19] Speaker C: You're my. [00:15:20] Speaker B: Yeah, right. [00:15:21] Speaker A: You're my standing. [00:15:22] Speaker C: Yeah, you're my coverage. [00:15:23] Speaker A: But Shorty took the opportunity to shine, and she shined. So fans noticed that Lauren was a much better or they said that they believe that she was a much better a fit for the Breakfast Club than Jess. [00:15:43] Speaker C: I know this. A person that just happened to her real life. They went on maternity break, and the person she interviewed to be her standing position, the company, the president, whatever, ended up hiring that person to be her. Because she did such a better job. [00:15:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, like, listen, all right. [00:16:01] Speaker B: So you do a better job. [00:16:03] Speaker A: Yeah, you just do a better job. But I guess with Jess is kind of holding on to. Is the fact that there was a conversation which I'm not mad at. So, like. [00:16:12] Speaker B: So. So basically what you're saying is, is that Shorty was like, all right. Jess went to her and was like, all right, cool. You gonna do X, Y and Z while I'm gone? [00:16:22] Speaker A: Right. [00:16:23] Speaker B: And after I come. When I come back, this is over with. [00:16:26] Speaker A: Right? Well, that was discussed with Power One. What is it my fault? Sometimes I'm more of a Hot 97, but that's. [00:16:33] Speaker B: They don't. Nobody listens to that. [00:16:35] Speaker A: I do. I'm the og, but I'm the omg. It doesn't matter. You gave up. [00:16:41] Speaker B: I hate air. [00:16:43] Speaker A: She. So the company told her that she was going to be replaced. I mean, not replaced, but she was going to be. Keon stepped out the frame. Now he good. But she said that, you know, she expected her to, you know, be gone when she came back. So what happened was Jess was reading comments. She. A lot of people assume that she let the comments influence her, but she was like, no, the way I'm feeling is how people are commenting. And she went on live and talked her. And what Charlamagne and DJ Envy was upset about was that the fact that they had actually spoke to her and asked her, you know, what does she want to do? And she, you know, was like, yo, let's, you know, we gonna keep her. But at the same time, you go on live and you start talking your. So she went on Live and had a bit of a meltdown, and some of that I can make contributors to postpartum. [00:17:44] Speaker B: I don't. I don't. [00:17:45] Speaker A: I don't. [00:17:45] Speaker B: I didn't consider it as a meltdown. That was just. [00:17:47] Speaker A: I mean, you don't handle it. [00:17:49] Speaker B: That just. You handle however you feel. [00:17:51] Speaker A: I swear to God. One of you get on live talking about Tony. You. [00:17:56] Speaker B: Tony. [00:17:56] Speaker C: Is that what she said? That the word she used, though? [00:17:58] Speaker A: She ain't used that. But they. She was just like, yo, you know, Shorty came. You know, I was the one that chose her, you know, like, talking big. In a sense, she felt some. [00:18:08] Speaker B: It sound like a little bit of. [00:18:09] Speaker C: Hate explaining her side. Why do. Why we have meltdown to. [00:18:13] Speaker A: Because I don't. Because, Aaron. Her grievances. Because you don't do that when you. [00:18:18] Speaker B: Why don't you. [00:18:19] Speaker A: I'm not doing that with y'all. If I have an issue with y'all, I'm gonna bring the issue to y'all, but I'm not about to go on. [00:18:26] Speaker B: So you think that she didn't say nothing to that girl? [00:18:29] Speaker A: No, she didn't. That was. That was the whole point. Like that. Like when they had the interview. [00:18:32] Speaker B: We don't know the back. [00:18:33] Speaker A: No, they talked about this on the Breakfast Club. [00:18:36] Speaker B: That's what they said on the Breakfast. [00:18:37] Speaker A: Shorty said, if you was feeling this way, why didn't you just come to me and tell me how you was feeling? [00:18:42] Speaker B: Some of that should be capped, though. [00:18:43] Speaker A: It could have been. I'm not saying you wrong, but I'm just saying don't talk about me and go on live. And when we can have a conversation. You get what I'm saying? Even Shorty said you're trying to rally. [00:18:54] Speaker C: The troops, like, rally support as far. [00:18:56] Speaker A: As what she need to get on. [00:18:57] Speaker C: Live to, like, gang garner that support. Because maybe it's the higher ups that she really needs. [00:19:02] Speaker A: I mean, that could be. So I'm just saying I have more respect for y'all. I'm not about to go on live and disrespect nobody on this panel or whoever helps us with like. Like. Yes. Was I frustrated at Brie for not being here last week? Absolutely. But I understood she was sick. You know what I'm saying? I'm not saying I was frustrated in the sense of you being sick. [00:19:24] Speaker B: It was just like a. It was a. It was an inconvenience at that. Yeah. [00:19:27] Speaker A: Because watching T have to go from here to there, like, T was doing five different jobs. [00:19:32] Speaker B: But that was your. But that's your. That's your. It's empathy or sympathy when you, you know, feel for a person. [00:19:39] Speaker A: Like, yeah, empathy, sympathy. Right. [00:19:43] Speaker B: Like, yeah, you see? Like, damn, she's working hard or whatever. So Bri being sick, she couldn't control that. [00:19:49] Speaker A: Yeah. That's why I said I wasn't mad at her, but I wasn't mad at her for being sick. Right. I was just frustrated with the situation because, like you said, that's out of her control. But I'm not about to go online and be like, sorry, y'all. We had a little. [00:20:05] Speaker B: Little hiccup. [00:20:06] Speaker A: Yeah, a little hiccup. It happens. But I was saying, you know, I'm not gonna go on live. [00:20:13] Speaker B: Right. And you get what I'm saying right now? [00:20:16] Speaker A: I'm not lying because I'm not going on live and talking. If I got an issue with Keon, I'm gonna bring the key on. If I got an issue with Lia, I'm gonna bring the. Leah. [00:20:24] Speaker C: Like, hasn't she gone alive before? Like, in, like, air grievances? Like, that's. [00:20:29] Speaker A: I'm not sure. I mean, not. I guess, nothing to the magnitude of this, in a sense. I mean, because a lot of people say, you know, this is a professional setting. You're not. You're not. You know, I listened to Joe's podcast earlier, and they had a good point. [00:20:43] Speaker B: Which episode? [00:20:44] Speaker A: The one that dropped today. They was talking about it, and Flip had a good point when he said, you know, Jess comes from the. An engagement. [00:20:55] Speaker B: Aspect of. [00:20:57] Speaker A: Yeah. She didn't pop off a radio. She popped off of Instagram and her engagement. [00:21:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:02] Speaker C: So I remember watching Jesse with the mess when I was on Instagram. [00:21:04] Speaker A: Right. [00:21:05] Speaker C: I just love that segment. [00:21:06] Speaker A: Right. So she popped from that. So her engagement with social media is a lot different than a Charlemagne or DJ Envy, because that's not where they popped at. [00:21:14] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:14] Speaker A: They popped on radio. [00:21:16] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:16] Speaker A: So, I mean, listen, at the end of the day, I think she should have went to them. Do I understand why she went to social media? A little bit? Because, again, that's where she come from. [00:21:26] Speaker B: Yeah, that's her. [00:21:26] Speaker A: But if it's something that deep. Pause. [00:21:29] Speaker B: I'm. [00:21:29] Speaker A: I'm gonna bring that issue to y'all. I'm not going live. [00:21:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. But that's like a contra. A contradiction of what you saying. You was like, if that's. If. If her. If her core base is from social media, then that's where she's gonna voice her opinions to. [00:21:44] Speaker A: I understand that. I'm not saying, like, you wrong. I'm just saying what Tony would do. I think. I thought that was. I thought that was some sucker shit to do. [00:21:53] Speaker B: But we don't call a sucker shit. [00:21:55] Speaker A: All right? I thought that was. Wasn't the thing to do, but, you know, she felt like she had to do that. And again, I understand it from a. From an aspect of social media because that's, again, where she comes from. But I'm not about to go, you feel me, live and disrespect y'all. And then you in the shop and you like somebody like, oh, you know your man on live talking shit about. [00:22:17] Speaker B: Yeah, but you know me at the end of the day, you know, I mean, that's how she felt at that very moment. And maybe it may have been impulsive or something. I mean, like, we could. We could call it that, but we don't know. The behind the scenes shit. That's the only. That's the only thing that I'm saying. Like, we don't know. Was it. Was it. Let's say, was it tactful from the outside looking in? Maybe not, depending on who's viewing it. [00:22:44] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:44] Speaker B: And your level of ignorance. [00:22:47] Speaker A: Right. [00:22:48] Speaker B: Or if you're not ignorant at all, and you may have said, you know, this is my platform. This is where I can, you know, voice my opinion. So you did it from there. Cool. And then there's some people that's like, yeah, she still on business. You know, I mean, we don't. We don't know at the end of the day, but, like, you know me. Like, I don't. I don't fault her for that. [00:23:08] Speaker C: When they actually had the conversation on. On the Breakfast Club, like, do y'all feel like, was anything resolved, like, at that point? [00:23:14] Speaker A: I think some things came out that, you know, everybody was kind of feeling. Cause I Even Lauren said, yo, we don't have to be friends outside it. Outside of this. [00:23:22] Speaker B: Yeah, because this is a business. [00:23:23] Speaker A: This is a business. [00:23:24] Speaker B: This is a job. And that's that. [00:23:27] Speaker A: I'm not gonna say anything was completely resolved, but, I mean, everybody know how I just feel. [00:23:34] Speaker B: And so the word got out then. So once again, like I said before, like, her platform on social media is where she thrives at. Not saying she doesn't thrive in any other area, but that's where she thrives at. So it got people's attention, hence why we're talking about it. [00:23:53] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I mean, but that's. That's social media in. In a nutshell. Because if. If. And like you said earlier, this really could have just been performative altogether. Everything could have been performative. [00:24:05] Speaker C: Maybe you should try to get that raised. [00:24:07] Speaker A: Could be that. I mean, like, listen, let's. Let's be real. Controversy is. Is a thing that sells, right? [00:24:12] Speaker C: Cause I'm sure that numbers are skyrocketing right now. [00:24:14] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. [00:24:15] Speaker B: Beefing is like that. Yeah, we said that before. Yeah, we said that. [00:24:21] Speaker C: I'm about to go live. [00:24:22] Speaker B: We said that before. Yo, he said we was gonna start beefing for no reason. [00:24:25] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:24:27] Speaker B: But we already told people, so we can't. [00:24:29] Speaker A: We can't. Yeah, no, I mean, it wouldn't be real. Yeah, yeah. [00:24:32] Speaker B: People like them. [00:24:34] Speaker A: But I just think it's a certain way to handle your frustrations. You know, at my big age at 35, I'm. I'm coming to talk to y'all. I'm not going live. [00:24:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean. Yeah, that. That. That changes with a. [00:24:50] Speaker A: Because, again. Because, again, my perspective of the situation might not really be what I think it is. [00:24:54] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think that your level of celebrity is what makes you react certain ways. You know what I mean? [00:25:03] Speaker A: Like, I got something too. Go ahead, keep going. [00:25:05] Speaker B: That. That. That makes you react certain ways. Your level of celebrity, you know, I mean, when you. When you had a certain status, certain things, you just don't respond to entertain, so on and so forth. And when you at the way. Gonna say bottom because just not at the bottom. So this is referring to her. This is just in general. But when your level is kind of. [00:25:27] Speaker A: Low, you kind of B plus celebrity. [00:25:35] Speaker B: I don't know. Because I don't want to say nothing that, you know, I mean, like, I. I don't. [00:25:39] Speaker A: You don't want to be disrespectful. [00:25:40] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm not trying to be disrespectful. [00:25:41] Speaker A: I'm not either. [00:25:42] Speaker B: Like. So, like, I wouldn't call a a B list because she rubbed shoulders with some of the. The flyest people. You know what I mean? And some of the people that social media famous, but she rubbed shoulders with a lot of people, so I'm not gonna rate her level of celebrity to say what she is, what she ain't. Like, I respect the fact that she got it. She's getting a bag, Has a bag, you know what I mean? Like, she came a long way. [00:26:06] Speaker A: She definitely did. [00:26:08] Speaker B: You want Nick Cannon wilding out. [00:26:09] Speaker A: Yeah. She's a Baltimore native, so it's like, a lot of people don't make it from here, so we have to support her. [00:26:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:19] Speaker A: You know what? I'm saying, because she's an example of someone who made it out of circumstances. I mean, I don't know how life was prior to her, you know, becoming. [00:26:26] Speaker B: Who she dated back in eighth grade. [00:26:28] Speaker A: Or something, but, you know, she made it, and she's somebody. I'm not saying she. Nobody. But you, right? There are different levels of celebrity. Like, somebody asked me before, like, yo, you make it. What type of celebrity you want to be? I said, I want to be that celebrity where it's like, I know you from somewhere. I don't want to be like Beyonce or Jay Z to the point where I gotta call Target and be like, hey, Beyonce, coming up here. We need to clean the store up. Yeah. You know, I'm not trying to do that kind of thing. [00:26:58] Speaker B: Yeah. I want to be. I want to be known, but I don't want to be that known to where I can't live my normal life. You know what I mean? Like, you said like that, damn, I know you somewhere. Like, that's even. Like. That's even like, Manny. To God. Shout out to Manny, too. Like, I know Manny personally, right? You know, I mean, like, when he came into the barbershop, I was like, oh, I know. You said, bro. And I said it low, you know? I mean, I'm saying, bro. [00:27:24] Speaker C: Yeah, don't you do that. [00:27:26] Speaker B: He like, yeah, everybody in the shop, like, I ain't never seen it. I'm like, no, that's buddy that be doing. [00:27:32] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. [00:27:33] Speaker B: And Manny is a. A cool nigga. I hate him. Manny a cool nigga, though. You know what I'm saying? And I see him on a regular basis, like, at least once a week. Like a good dude, you know? I mean, but I like that type of famous. And, like, he's a regular guy. I'm not, you know, trying to downplay him or not like that, but he's a regular guy. Somebody that I can reach. I can reach out and call or text, yo, what you doing tonight? Where is that tonight type person? And I. I like that. You know what I mean? Cleon a comedian. I know him personally, right? I don't have his number now, but I can call one person that can call him. Like, we used to cut hair together, right? So I saw that joint from the bottom to where he's at now. Proud of him. It's dope, you know? I mean, but I agree with you. I don't want to be that. I can't go nowhere guy. [00:28:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Hell, no. I don't think. I think most people don't want to be that, I think because, you know, fame, you can be a prisoner to fame. But I think again, just to get back to Jess, I think she could have definitely handled it a little more better. But I always say I'm not the one to judge anybody for how they end up handling the situation. You know what I'm saying? [00:28:45] Speaker B: Right. [00:28:45] Speaker A: If somebody crash out, say your discretion. Yeah. If you crash out over a bag of chips, that's on you. Yeah, that's on you. You know what I'm saying? I can't be the one. I think it's stupid. But yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what happened. I don't know what you're going through. [00:29:00] Speaker B: So you know what I mean? Like, so that bag of chips could have took you over the top. [00:29:04] Speaker A: Absolutely. But we're going to continue the conversation again, just shout out to you, we love you. You know, we just critiquing the situation. Not necessarily you as a person. You did what you felt like you had to do. But we gonna continue the conversation. And Leah, what we got next? [00:29:20] Speaker C: Okay, so Biggie was caught up in a RICO case apparently for being involved in the death of an up and coming rapper. [00:29:27] Speaker A: Yes. So he allegedly killed this up and coming rapper and left his body in Vegas. That's what the accuracy. Desert and no Mojave Desert. [00:29:37] Speaker B: Allegedly. [00:29:38] Speaker A: That got left thinking. But sorry, that was disrespectful. That was definitely disrespectful. I just find it so amazing how people get caught up in these situations because like I don't. I feel like once you get to a certain status as a celebrity, you gotta leave that street alone, yo. And maybe I'm not the person to say, cuz I'm not involved in street. So I don't have a hold on. [00:30:09] Speaker B: It's easy. [00:30:09] Speaker A: Like that shit don't have a hold on. [00:30:11] Speaker B: Exactly. That's why I said. [00:30:12] Speaker A: But I still don't understand the infatuation. [00:30:14] Speaker B: Easier said than done. Like if Dirk. Shit, if cutting Head became illegal, I've been doing this for 20 something years. You see me go to jail, I get the RICO for fades, right? Like I can't believe he would risk all of that. This is what I know, right? [00:30:31] Speaker A: But I mean. [00:30:32] Speaker C: But still a quick cutting head to killing niggas. [00:30:34] Speaker B: Like I'm giving you a scenario of this. Certain things are embedded in. I'm not talking about the actual thing. I'm saying in the sense of this is what he know. He is a part of that gang culture. He is quote Unquote, the leader of the world. [00:30:51] Speaker A: 60S. Yeah. [00:30:52] Speaker C: So take that game culture and apply it to something he did. [00:30:55] Speaker B: He did. But he also, he also, yo, you can't change who a person. [00:31:00] Speaker A: So do you think, Let me ask you this, Let me ask you this, right? Let me ask you this. Do you think that people who end up making it out of their circumstances or out of the, you know, street culture, do you think they feel like they get tested because they're no longer involved in certain activities anymore? [00:31:20] Speaker B: I mean, I feel as though that people will, you know, test a gangster. Like, yeah, okay, now you got millions of dollars. Let me see if you still really about that life. And you have to decide as an individual, maybe male or female, you know, so I got a point to prove and, or I got enough money that I don't have to address. [00:31:40] Speaker A: Let me ask you this. You as the individual who come from that culture, why do you still hang around those areas to where someone might have to challenge you? [00:31:51] Speaker B: Because it's, it's familiar territory. Like, it's a lot of people that get money and can't leave the hood alone. Do you think that some rappers are. [00:32:00] Speaker C: Prisoners to the street life? [00:32:02] Speaker A: Yes. [00:32:04] Speaker C: Some rappers are prisoner to the street life. Like, they just can't leave it alone. [00:32:08] Speaker B: Yes, yes, it exists. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, so that's, I mean, I guess the logic per, the logical side of me, because again, I'm not involved in street culture. The logical side of me says once I've made it out of something, I'm not going to go back. Go back. Like Chief Keef is a great example of that. You know what I'm saying, Jay Z. Yeah. You have, you have people who have. [00:32:31] Speaker B: Some that, that see the bigger picture and will change their, the dynamics of their life to equal up to what they got going on. And then you have some that say, I don't give a damn about the money. I'mma keep it quote, unquote real. It's. It. Do I, do I look at it as goes wrong? Yeah, yeah, that's his big age. [00:32:57] Speaker A: Like, come on. [00:32:57] Speaker B: Yeah. But it be like that. Sometimes you try to shield yourself as much as you can from your shady dealings, but sometimes it just go left. But that's, but at the end of the day, when you go to hell or heaven or jail, you gotta be able to live with your decisions. [00:33:16] Speaker A: I get that. [00:33:17] Speaker B: And what you made, like, okay, I did this. This is why I'm here. And a lot of people can't accept that. So somebody on a look at somebody on the outside looking in is like, yo, that's dumb as hell. I'm broke. Of course, I think that he rich. He feels, though, he can buy his way out of trouble. I'm just saying, hypothetically. [00:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah, possibly. I mean, yeah, you can afford the Good Lords and all that, but I still say, why even risk it? Risk the situation in this totality? But I get what you're saying. I mean, it's kind of what Brie was saying. Like, some of these people who, you know their claim to fame, they're kind of prisoners to the street culture. I mean, I guess another good example of that would be Diddy. Because it's like, you. [00:33:59] Speaker B: You work every day. Why do you steal a pack of gum at the register while you at Target? Put it in your pocket? Not you, per se. But yeah. [00:34:07] Speaker A: No. [00:34:07] Speaker B: Why do you do that? Why do you. Why do you switch tags? Why. Why do you switch tags at stores? To try to get it for a cheap price. You work every day. Why do you do that? Why do you try to. Why do you buy outfits, wear it and take it back? [00:34:26] Speaker C: You talking for years. I'm not talking. [00:34:30] Speaker B: I'm talking about what I know about people. [00:34:32] Speaker A: I would think some people are more addicted to. [00:34:34] Speaker B: Ain't nobody. Ain't nobody in this goddamn room. 100, honest. And everybody did some shit that they should not have done. [00:34:42] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:43] Speaker B: In a big age or no status in their life or whatever. Everybody done did something you like. Yeah, I probably shouldn't did it. I think that right now. [00:34:52] Speaker C: No, I'm not stealing. [00:34:53] Speaker B: I didn't say stealing, Gun. I'm talking. [00:34:55] Speaker A: I'm talking about in general. I get what he said in general. [00:34:58] Speaker B: Like, Honest Abe don't get you. But so far. [00:35:01] Speaker A: I had a situation. I had a situation before, and I was ready to fight, bro. Like, I didn't give a. About where I was at. I didn't care. You disrespected me as a man. Let's fight. You know what I'm saying? You talking some tough shit. Let's fight. But somebody on the outside looking be like, yo, that was probably the stupidest shit you could ever do. But I. I guess again, like I said, because we don't come from, you know, that culture. It just seems frivolous and dumb. [00:35:29] Speaker C: I got too much lose. [00:35:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, once I'm. Once I'm making billions and million, millions and billions. I don't want to even want that. [00:35:35] Speaker C: I have too much to lose now. [00:35:36] Speaker A: I don't want that around me. It's a quote. Hold on. It's a quote that Russell Simmons said. [00:35:41] Speaker B: You'Re capping right now because I'm sorry, if something was to transpire right now that affected your livelihood or something like that, you're gonna react and do what you have to do in that very moment. I don't. I'm not. And this is outside of the. The. This is. [00:36:00] Speaker A: Yeah, it's only one thing I think I would unalive somebody for. [00:36:03] Speaker C: It would have to be something up with my kids. [00:36:05] Speaker B: Yes, you would. But we don't know. I'm not talking about the. The why he did it and so on and so forth. It. It. Everybody was focusing on. Yeah, because he's doing this and he's getting this type of money, blah, blah. Why would he do this? There are things that everybody in a everyday life will risk it all for and go to bed in jail and be like, all right. And me on Outside free was like, yeah, that's crazy. Why she ain't just do X, Y and Z? Because I wasn't in that situation. [00:36:36] Speaker A: I mean, you got that to make that decision. We call that Monday, Monday night quarterbacking. Yeah, you can't. [00:36:41] Speaker B: That's just what it is. Like everybody. I'm not saying that he right. I'm not saying that he wrong for why he did what he did. I don't know the. The ins and outs. I only know what social media tells me. I'm not him. I wasn't there. [00:36:55] Speaker A: And for all we know, it could have been a self defense. [00:36:57] Speaker B: It could have been like, yo, and I'm not no killer. No, no, nothing like that. [00:37:02] Speaker A: He is a practical killer. [00:37:04] Speaker B: He is, in fact. But if a nigga, If a nigga threatened my life and tell me he gonna unalive me the next time he see me, you think I'm gonna wait to see if he gonna do it? That's dumb. Or should I just stay in the house and never come outside? Like you don't notice the ramifications of his situation. And I'm not saying that he right, and I'm not saying. I'm not saying neither one. He looks wild on social media because right after that, right after Nip died, he was on social media and somebody was like, what is that? Just a for Nip? And he laughed. And so did his homeboys in the background. And I don't know if they cut the video up to make him look like a monster. And then he had another joint on no Jumpers where. Where it was Wacko 100. [00:37:55] Speaker C: And I know you just say, oh, Wacko no jumpers. [00:37:59] Speaker B: I said, yeah, Wacko 100. [00:38:01] Speaker A: This is whack. It's not wacko. [00:38:03] Speaker B: Wacko. Whatever. Yeah, Whack 100 was up there and Nips. And Nips, baby, mother, cousin was up there, was like, yeah, he called me 30 minutes prior to Nip getting killed and said, nip got killed. And I called cuz and everything was fine and I'm fine. [00:38:21] Speaker A: I think it's Cap. I don't think you had anything to do with that. Because again, why wait for a to become that large to offer him? That's just kind of stupid to me. I think the situation is what the situation was. You know, we love or for the people who fuck with Nip. You know, we love Nip. And I think some people just want a reason behind why it happened. [00:38:44] Speaker B: Yeah, they said. They said that he beat him up. He beat Buddy up? Like, nah, he was fired too. [00:38:49] Speaker A: He told. But a story I heard was that. [00:38:51] Speaker B: And he said he was snitching. [00:38:53] Speaker A: Yeah, he told him he couldn't, but from what I heard, from what his brother said, what Black Sam said, he said it was more like a warning more than. More so than a threat. Like, yo, you might want to be careful being around here. They saying you doing X, Y and Z. And somehow Buddy took that to offense. I mean, anything is possible. Anything is possible. But we're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna come right back. All right, y'all, we are back for our last and final segment. We gonna. We got a little off topic. I think we were kind of. We're kind of drained from the whole Kendrick Drake thing. I don't even know why I put that on there. [00:39:43] Speaker B: I mean, it was something to talk about, but it was a good spin off for us to talk about what we actually really wanted to talk about or whatever the case may be. I mean, it was cool, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, like, it's all a part of us being able to go way left from the subject because we're good at that. [00:40:03] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:40:04] Speaker B: Staying on topic is not our thing. [00:40:06] Speaker A: Not at all. What we got next, Tony would like. [00:40:09] Speaker C: To know, is accepting gifts from the opposite sex wrong when you are in a relationship? Explain further. Like, what does this mean? Like, who are these people from the opposite sex? Like a co worker. [00:40:21] Speaker A: Yeah, co worker friend. Like, is it wrong for a person to. [00:40:28] Speaker B: You made that very vague. Like, because it made it seem like. [00:40:32] Speaker C: Like, like because from the bar cannot give you a gift. No. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Yeah, like that. That's weird. [00:40:38] Speaker A: Like if you cool with her, why not? [00:40:41] Speaker C: Why you cool with her? [00:40:42] Speaker A: Because I go to that bar often. [00:40:44] Speaker C: Why you at that bar often? [00:40:45] Speaker A: You. [00:40:45] Speaker B: Alicia. [00:40:46] Speaker A: Because I like the bar. What if I was always going to that bar and she's. [00:40:49] Speaker B: Yeah, you know what? Hey, Tone, I'm. And I'm. I'm sticking beside you. [00:40:54] Speaker A: Right? [00:40:54] Speaker B: Like, the gift part is. It's. [00:40:58] Speaker A: Do you accept the gift? [00:41:00] Speaker B: Do I accept the gift in general. [00:41:02] Speaker A: As the person in the relationship? [00:41:03] Speaker B: 100%. Yeah. Thank you. [00:41:04] Speaker C: Do y'all buy girls drinks when y'all in a relationship? [00:41:07] Speaker A: I have. [00:41:10] Speaker C: I have. [00:41:11] Speaker A: I have, I have. But now I know, like, I'm buying a drink because. [00:41:16] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to get cozy with you. Like, I bought a drink. [00:41:20] Speaker A: Like, which is the funniest thing this. I don't know, because what's the. [00:41:24] Speaker B: What's the difference between you accepting the drink? [00:41:28] Speaker A: Yeah, so I remember if a buy. [00:41:30] Speaker B: You a drink as a female and you are in a club and you got a. And he was like, yeah, what she drinking? He asked the bartender, and he said, yeah, get her another one. And then when she get it, she like, I ain't order this. And he be like, yeah. And then there's nothing. Like, it's up to the individual to. I'll say this separate. [00:41:51] Speaker A: That I've never bought a drink from the. Like, for a woman that wasn't beside me. Like, if she was beside me and we was a kiki in a little bit, I might buy a drink. But I'm not sending a drink. I think that's. [00:42:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Now that. Okay, so. So you know what? I. [00:42:07] Speaker A: You actually right here. I'm not. I'm not. Yeah. [00:42:12] Speaker B: No, but if we sit. You're absolutely right. We sit next to each other and we laughing about some that's going on in there. And there's nothing like, no, no weird. Like, yeah. And she's. [00:42:23] Speaker A: Ha, ha ha. [00:42:24] Speaker B: And. But we talking. Yeah, I can buy you a drink. Yeah, Here you go. Hey, what you drinking? Because we having a conversation. What you drinking? Oh, I'm drinking this. Okay, cool. Get her another one. Call it a day. It's over with. [00:42:37] Speaker A: I just get one. [00:42:38] Speaker B: I said, buy her a drink. I didn't say drinks plural. Like, you know, I mean, y'all buy your drink. Like, it's nothing. Like, I feel as though it's like, for me, it's like, if we're sitting here and we're engaging in the conversation, and I'm not talking about. In the sense of. [00:42:59] Speaker A: Yeah, flirting. [00:42:59] Speaker B: Yeah, flirting. We just chopping it up, laughing and having a good time. [00:43:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:04] Speaker B: What you drinking? Like, I'm a man. Like, I don't see nothing wrong with buying a woman a drink. If I don't ask that woman for a number, her Instagram, her Facebook and, and all the other socials out there. And I bought the drink and I went on about my business. Where am I wrong? [00:43:21] Speaker A: So I, I've had that happen and then I, you know, then I have to explain like, no, I'm not, you know, this is his conversation. [00:43:27] Speaker B: Yeah, because, because sometimes a woman will be like, oh, so we'll share. Yeah. Then you shut it down. If you shut it down and, and, and you stand your ground and you leave at the end of the day, where's the problem? Because that little 11 $12 is not taken away from my household. [00:43:45] Speaker A: Do you accept a drink from another man? [00:43:50] Speaker C: Maybe, maybe. It depends on what? [00:43:54] Speaker A: I don't see why you wouldn't. Like, I wouldn't be mad if I. [00:43:58] Speaker C: If it looked like his intention is like, oh, he's buy me a drink to like talk to me, then no. [00:44:02] Speaker B: You can take the drink and still say no. [00:44:07] Speaker A: I've had that experience too. [00:44:08] Speaker B: I don't, I don't know, like, because. [00:44:10] Speaker C: It'S kind of rude to me. [00:44:11] Speaker B: Because, because are weird. So like, you mean weird and what way? Like, I've seen instincts, instances where niggas try to do a nice gesture and the woman is not receptive of it, and then next you know, she getting knocked upside her goddamn head. I don't agree with that. Those are just a caliber of weird ass niggas. If you can't accept rejection and her telling you no, like if you try to holler at a chick and she's not interested and you be like, well then fuck you bitch, you dusty ass bruh. You're mad. And that's weird. So women have to protect it, protect themselves a little bit more. So I get it. I do get that aspect. [00:44:53] Speaker C: And that's the instance of when I was. They know when you get spot like somebody that's gonna be like clingy on you and feel that way and you gotta like gently be like, oh no thank you, or I'm done for the night or something like that. [00:45:04] Speaker A: Yeah, so. Because I've had, I've experienced that before. [00:45:09] Speaker B: A girl try to beat you up? [00:45:10] Speaker A: No, like in my single days where I tried to, you know, send a drink to somebody and she was like, no. [00:45:19] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:45:20] Speaker A: But of course I'm not weird. [00:45:21] Speaker B: I'm not about to be like, so we. We going left, right? So we back to the gift part with the gift shit. For me to not know you like that and for you to buy me a gift because you heard me mention this, it's my birthday or blah, blah, that's weird as fuck. [00:45:40] Speaker A: But from a co worker that you've been working with for the last two or three years. [00:45:44] Speaker B: Yeah. It's like, oh, you bought me a gift for my birthday. Like, I gotta like, kendra is my dog, right? Shout out to Kendra. Like, that's my dog. Like, I asked her not yesterday, day before yesterday. I was like, hey, can you give me a Stanley? Talking about the cup, right? I didn't really want the cup. She was like, all right, what color she get to search? She said, oh, these are other cups that's fired that they're. There's zero spill proof, blah, blah, so on and so forth. I'm like, let me see. She pulled it up. Oh, yeah, them shit's fire too. I was like, yeah, I want the black one. She's like, all right. Bet she ordered the cup. I'm gonna get the cup tomorrow. [00:46:24] Speaker A: What? [00:46:24] Speaker B: A cup will be at our house at 7am tomorrow. [00:46:29] Speaker A: But. Yeah, but in my head, I'm like, that circumstances a little different because Leah has a relationship. [00:46:35] Speaker B: Yeah. I think when. Okay, so to elaborate on that, like. [00:46:39] Speaker A: One of your customers. [00:46:40] Speaker B: When it's not. When it's not. No rapport. Like my clients, like the majority of my clients, when it come down to me, if y'all been cutting your hair for at least a year, you know, birthday come around. [00:46:51] Speaker A: So let me ask y'all this. Is there a gift that is too expensive for somebody of the opposite sex to give you? Let's say y'all have a relationship. [00:47:01] Speaker B: I don't think it's too expensive. Expensive. I think when you start buying boxers and shit like that, that's when that shit get weird. It's like, whoa, what's going on here? Like, don't buy me no fucking boxers. You know, I like hats. Of course. Cool. Buy me a hat. You know, I mean, like, you know, I'm fashionable. You buy me a T shirt. Like, hey, I thought you would like this. Cool. You know, I mean, shit like that. But like undergarments. [00:47:29] Speaker A: Yeah. So I'm saying. [00:47:30] Speaker B: That's my question. I think, I think cologne is a little bit evasive. I think a little bit like, I don't know how much I feel strongly about cologne. [00:47:44] Speaker A: Your co worker or friend, what is the limit they should spend on you. [00:47:49] Speaker B: On the dollar amount yeah. [00:47:50] Speaker A: What would be the limit? [00:47:51] Speaker B: That's on. They. That's on a financial budget. I don't. [00:47:55] Speaker A: So if you came home with a diamond necklace from your best friend Tony. Not me. The Tony you know, is preacher boy gonna have an issue with that? [00:48:09] Speaker B: He would not. [00:48:11] Speaker C: I would simply because he knows he's my best friend. That's his pocket. [00:48:17] Speaker B: All those joints are. [00:48:19] Speaker A: I would have a problem. [00:48:20] Speaker B: All those joints are situational. [00:48:22] Speaker A: Right, right. [00:48:23] Speaker B: Like. And I think, like, if whoever this said Tony is buys her a diamond necklace and you're upset about it. Right. This is just my thoughts. Me you're gonna be more than likely mad about it is because he couldn't afford to get her that. And you may have wanted to get her that, but you could. It wasn't in your price range. His money is different. [00:48:47] Speaker A: No, that's not the case. [00:48:48] Speaker B: I said. I said what I think. [00:48:50] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [00:48:51] Speaker B: But I don't. I don't put a dollar amount on it. Like, whatever your budget. [00:48:56] Speaker A: I think there is a limit of like. All right, let's take the friendship. Let's. Let's put it on the dating aspect. If y'all just met a guy. Because we're not going to ever experience that situation. At least, I've never experienced. [00:49:08] Speaker B: I don't date guys, so. [00:49:09] Speaker A: No, I'm talking about in the sense of a. A woman giving us a gift to a certain magnitude. You meet a guy, let's say it's a month in, he buys you a diamond ring. Are y'all taking that? [00:49:23] Speaker C: No, no, no, no. That's weird. [00:49:26] Speaker B: Not a wedding ring. [00:49:27] Speaker A: No, not a wedding ring. Just a ring. Just a regular diamond ring. So there is a price, right? Within. There is a. [00:49:34] Speaker C: It could have been something. He could have spent the same amount of money, but it could have been something else. Like, why is it a ring? To be a. That's just to be very specific. [00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah, well, he made it that. [00:49:42] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. That's crazy. [00:49:46] Speaker C: I knew somebody just got money like that. [00:49:48] Speaker A: Like, I knew somebody that went through some as a gift giver. [00:49:51] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:49:52] Speaker A: I knew somebody went through some over a purse. So. [00:49:55] Speaker B: Yeah, it's like. [00:49:57] Speaker A: Like the person bought her a Louis Vuitton purse. As she got to know him, she realized they weren't compatible. [00:50:03] Speaker C: Then give it back. [00:50:05] Speaker A: She wasn't giving that. [00:50:06] Speaker B: No, you already got it. [00:50:07] Speaker C: Now go through the drama. [00:50:08] Speaker B: It's a gift. Did he ask for it back? [00:50:11] Speaker A: I think so, yeah. [00:50:12] Speaker B: Oh, well, he's a weird ass. That's his fault. Yo, bro. Because he gave yo. I promise You. [00:50:20] Speaker A: But you're gonna accept it, Tone, I. [00:50:22] Speaker B: Promise you, whether she knew or not, I've never bought anything for a woman that I've ever asked for back. [00:50:30] Speaker A: Me either. Me either. [00:50:30] Speaker B: Like, I've been. I've been married before, right? And I got a divorce. Why the would I ask for the ring back? I don't care, lady. A woman. Excuse me. Because I'm not. It's not like, out of hate for her, but, like, I'm not asking for that ring back. Keep it. Do whatever you want to do with it. I bought it in that time and frame in my life, and I wanted you to have it. I'm not asking for it back. You could have that. [00:51:01] Speaker A: I agree with that, but I'm just saying, I just think. I think when you first meet somebody, or even if it is a friend, I think there is a limit. [00:51:08] Speaker B: I'm not buying. No, no, no, Louie. Three weeks in, I ain't doing. [00:51:12] Speaker C: That's very weird. [00:51:14] Speaker A: Some people do that. Some people do that. [00:51:17] Speaker B: Yeah. Like. All right, so let's say this, right? [00:51:20] Speaker A: Go ahead. [00:51:21] Speaker B: Hypothetically, if I had it like that, and that was my normal, like, I like you gift or whatever, then I probably wouldn't think about it. But due to the fact that I live a modest life and my. My income is not. Doesn't match to buy a Louis bag. Like, I will buy Leah a Louis bag. We got a couple years in. She can get that for me for. For her, you know, I mean, birthday, graduation gift or whatever. Yeah, she can get that. That's no problem. [00:51:54] Speaker C: But, like, where my money bag at, man? [00:51:56] Speaker B: Huh? [00:51:59] Speaker C: And I had a birthday. We on live, right? We going live. [00:52:03] Speaker B: No, I'm not on my life, but. But don't act like I don't go all out for your birthdays. And I try to, but we know that now because our birthday is in January, that we can't do nothing. We gotta go somewhere else because every. [00:52:18] Speaker C: I got you off topic. Go ahead, keep on playing. [00:52:21] Speaker B: Yeah. Can you try to make me look like a lame. Like, I. Like I don't love you? [00:52:25] Speaker A: I think she was just joking. [00:52:26] Speaker B: Nah, that I won't fight. That's the hood in me. [00:52:31] Speaker C: That's all right. [00:52:31] Speaker A: Shit. [00:52:32] Speaker B: Yeah. But. But nonetheless, though, like, if my money affords certain things in. In two to three weeks of dating a person, like, two, three weeks at my price range says, oh, you like those Jordans? I get them for you million. That's my price range. You know what I mean? I'm not at Louis or Kurt Geiger Issa Lauren, or, you know, I mean, certain things that I. I spend within my. Within my pay range. You can get some. Some Jordans or some Yeezys or maybe like a. Maybe like a Louis clutch. [00:53:10] Speaker A: All right, before we move on, right? [00:53:13] Speaker B: We ain't moving on. We staying here. [00:53:14] Speaker A: Because the. The last thing that came to my mind was. Y'all haven't seen the movie Temptation? The Tyler Perry movie? [00:53:22] Speaker B: Well, Beyonce. [00:53:23] Speaker A: No, not that one. No. [00:53:25] Speaker C: Justice. My last sister. [00:53:26] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:27] Speaker B: And what was she doing? [00:53:29] Speaker A: Remember, she did. She was with the. The doctor, and she left him for the millionaire, ended up getting aids. [00:53:35] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. See, that's what you get. [00:53:37] Speaker A: Yeah. So there is a such thing as love. What is the difference in. When it comes to dating, how do you determine if someone's love bombing versus them just giving you gifts? [00:53:51] Speaker B: I. I don't. I don't. [00:53:52] Speaker A: I mean, we don't experience like. [00:53:54] Speaker B: Like, yo, like, I. I think it's. I think it's time experiences, past experiences and. And not. And not bringing all of the things from the past, but, you know, I mean, you kind of could kind of decipher what's what. He's a Try harder. He's doing too much. He's lacking somewhere. And it's just. This is me speaking as what I think women may think. So, you know, I mean, like, y'all judge things on. On different Richter scales than I may think as a man, you know, I mean, like, there's a such thing as doing too much, and I felt as though I'm doing what I'm supposed to be doing as a man. And you, like, oh, yeah, he doing too much. You know, I'm saying, like. And vice versa. Like, what? A woman, like, you may think you right on target and, you know, catering to my needs, quote unquote. And I'm like, she's irritating or she's smothering or whatever, you know, I mean, so it's different skills. [00:54:57] Speaker A: Like, you know, what I'm asking is, though, right, because some people, and this is just an experience that mostly women have, is how can you tell the difference between someone who just has it like that versus someone who's just love bombing women? [00:55:15] Speaker C: I've never had anybody read it like that, so I don't know. [00:55:18] Speaker A: Well, love bombing doesn't also have to look. No, love bombing doesn't also have to look like somebody just giving you gifts. It comes in different forms. [00:55:29] Speaker C: Yeah, verbal. [00:55:30] Speaker A: Yeah. It comes in different forms of cool. But in my mind, I just think, like, how do you Decide on this is just who this person is versus this person is being manipulative. And they're. They're. [00:55:43] Speaker C: I got time with time. [00:55:46] Speaker B: That's a. That's a self explanatory answer. Time always tells. [00:55:50] Speaker A: I mean, not necessarily. It depends on the time. [00:55:53] Speaker C: For me personally, I think that I judge by attachment style. Like, some people have avoided attachment style. Some people have anxious attachment styles. And most times when people are love bombing, they have. They're trying to manipulate and. Or they have a anxious attachment style. So let me give you all of these things to try to roll you in so that you don't go nowhere. [00:56:15] Speaker B: So what do you say about our. [00:56:16] Speaker C: Love when maybe we don't love bomb each other? Oh, but again, all of that is revealed with time. Yeah. And you'll see those things, Tom. Definitely. [00:56:28] Speaker B: Bri, what about all of. [00:56:31] Speaker C: It's. [00:56:31] Speaker B: It's rare. It's very rare for me. You, girl, me and you. It's rare. Heart survival. [00:56:39] Speaker A: What? [00:56:43] Speaker B: Anyway, what you got next? [00:56:45] Speaker C: We only got a couple minutes. You want to close it out? [00:56:47] Speaker A: We can finish off with this. Cuz we ain't going. 335. 335. [00:56:51] Speaker C: All right. Are we fake positive as a black community? [00:56:54] Speaker A: Yes. [00:56:55] Speaker B: Yes. Okay. [00:57:00] Speaker A: You know where I got that? [00:57:01] Speaker B: Like, yo, as much as that we. [00:57:03] Speaker A: Wanna Stop telling me about your goddamn boundaries. [00:57:07] Speaker B: As much as we wanna, like, you know, be all for one and one for all, we really don't have that unity like that to actually execute. [00:57:16] Speaker C: I think a bogus question that y'all saying is. I think. [00:57:19] Speaker A: I don't think it's. [00:57:19] Speaker B: I'm not speaking for myself because people say. Now this. Take my mic off. [00:57:25] Speaker A: Let me go. [00:57:26] Speaker C: Because I think we should be starting boundaries. [00:57:31] Speaker A: Hold on, hold on, hold on. No, no. [00:57:33] Speaker B: Run the camera back. [00:57:34] Speaker A: Yeah, stop it. We're gonna come right back. [00:57:37] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:57:37] Speaker A: How much better? All right, y'all, we back. We just took a quick break. And I'm gonna say this. [00:57:42] Speaker B: So. So what's the boundary thing like? [00:57:44] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no. Hold on. Let me, let me. Because I saw a post and I agree with the young lady, and I sent T the post, and T felt like the lady was contradicting herself, but I said the conversation really speaks to a. [00:57:56] Speaker B: Can't even read good. [00:57:57] Speaker A: I know she went to Eastside Baltimore City School. The. The post to me, spoke to a broader thing because I've actually experienced this whole wave of the fake positivity, grand rising situation before. And I gave her an example of a person that, you know, they came to Me for advice. I'm like, yo, did you talk to him? He may not even know he's in violation. Oh, I'm not talking to him. I'm just gonna block him. I need to protect my peace. And I'm like, well, you running from an altercation, and you're using the. You're using this boundary thing as a way to avoid a conversation that just could be had because he may not know that he's doing something wrong. And I find that more. I find that happening more so than people. What did you say? People coming from a healing space, then people like. I feel like we have now understand. Oh, under. We're now having to understand it as a black culture that it's okay to have certain emotions and be able to express those emotions and be able to navigate through those and. [00:59:07] Speaker C: Absolutely. [00:59:08] Speaker A: You know what I'm saying? We're new to this, right? And by us being new to this, I think some people. Not even some. I think most people, because we don't have a good understanding of it, they abuse it. They don't. They don't use the. You good. They don't use it way too far. Right? They don't. To me, I feel like a lot of people don't use it in the way that it's supposed to be used. You can't sit here and disconnect from somebody that you've been talking to for the last three months because they did something you didn't like and not even have a conversation with them. And use my boundaries, my peace, as a way to avoid. [00:59:51] Speaker C: You speak for that person and how they feel. [00:59:54] Speaker B: Yo, I think. I think it's all. I'm sorry, go ahead. [00:59:57] Speaker C: No, go ahead. [00:59:57] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. [00:59:59] Speaker A: But that's. That's. That's avoidance. [01:00:00] Speaker C: You think that's avoidance, and that's counterproductive for you. We. I don't know this person's. [01:00:05] Speaker B: That. [01:00:05] Speaker C: That backstory or what. What transpired between them and that person that, you know, nothing. [01:00:11] Speaker A: They were new to the situation. The situation was new for them. [01:00:14] Speaker B: Right. But I don't know. It can be a. [01:00:18] Speaker C: Don't cheat on me. And they cheated. And they say, well, you know what? I don't even need to have a conversation with you. [01:00:22] Speaker A: That's different. That's not what I'm saying. That's. That's complete. [01:00:26] Speaker B: You're making that situation. [01:00:27] Speaker C: I don't know. [01:00:29] Speaker B: Okay, so this one. [01:00:30] Speaker A: This person was dating. Was. They were dating this person for three months. Everything is going great for this person. The. The person posted his Baby mother because they have a great co parenting situation. He was just giving. It was Mother's Day. He was giving thanks. I'm happy. You know, she sent me the picture and she was like the person. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Sure. He reposted something that his baby mother. [01:00:53] Speaker A: Saying, no, no, no, not repose. He was just saying, I'm thankful to have such a great. Even in the. Even in the thing. It says co parenting. [01:01:02] Speaker B: It looks. It looks wild on. On a person that's on the outside looking in part. And it's the optics of what people see, and that's where people automatic. Not automatically, but that's the thing that people worry about. Like, I believe that a portion of people are so worried about what the outside thinks versus what it actually is. [01:01:29] Speaker C: I don't even think it's that. [01:01:30] Speaker B: Yes, it is. [01:01:31] Speaker A: I don't think it's here. I think you got it. I think you have a point to it, but I don't think it's that. I think people use that. Those circumstances to avoid situations. It's almost like an example that T used. She said you said something about fathers telling their sons, what you say, suck it up, be a man. I said, I've had experiences with Adrian where it's like, something happens. And I explained to him, listen, it's okay to be emotional about this. Get your feelings out, but don't stay within this. You got to move forward. Right, Right. But if he keeps. If he continues to keep coming back to me and standing that same space, how much of that am I going to coddle before I say, listen, you gotta, you know, you gotta get your emotions in check and you gotta get past this. You know what I'm saying? I can't continue to cut like the first time it happens. Yes. [01:02:30] Speaker C: I guess just the phrase is what she said, like that, be a man, man up or whatever like that. [01:02:34] Speaker B: Right. [01:02:34] Speaker A: I would never do that to my son in general. But I'm also not about to sit here and coddle you. And. But that's what I think people use it for. [01:02:43] Speaker B: I don't. [01:02:44] Speaker A: I think people use it to be coddled. I don't think people use it in a way where it's like I'm coming from a healed space. I know this is a red flag for me. [01:02:54] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:55] Speaker A: So listen, like, hold on, hold on. [01:02:57] Speaker C: I feel like you dealt with a couple of isolated incident instances, and I. [01:03:01] Speaker A: See it all the time. [01:03:02] Speaker C: Yeah, but. But that as a community fake positive. [01:03:05] Speaker B: Yeah, but I think we are. But yeah, that. That is off. That is off subject. And you're talking from your. Your perspective, right. At the end of the day, like false positive. I'm thinking that we're speaking about something completely different, but I did dive into what you were talking about. Right, But I'm talking. When you say false positives, is that accurate? Like, I'm talking about, like, us as a community, actually, like upholding, uplifting, and celebrating us as a culture, a race. [01:03:43] Speaker A: What I'm saying. [01:03:44] Speaker B: So hold up. Can you repeat the question? [01:03:48] Speaker C: So the question is, are we fake positive as a black community? But what Tony was talking about. [01:03:54] Speaker B: So when I hear that. When I hear that, that doesn't necessarily relate to relationships to me. [01:04:01] Speaker A: No. Okay, so that was an example. [01:04:02] Speaker B: We got. We got. No, but we got it. [01:04:04] Speaker A: We. [01:04:04] Speaker B: We started deep diving into a situation that applies to relationship. I was. I initially started with speaking to our culture as a whole and us holding each other accountable, you know, supporting black businesses, if we would. [01:04:23] Speaker A: Oh, you mean you didn't understand the question? [01:04:27] Speaker B: You know, I mean, like, because you have a lot of. And to elaborate on that, you will have, you know, hypothetically, a black car wash and a white car wash, but you gonna go to the white people because you automatically assume that they're gonna do a better job instead of trusting. [01:04:43] Speaker A: The people that look you so pretty much. [01:04:45] Speaker B: So that's where I was at with you. [01:04:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:47] Speaker B: You went into a relationship and got a. [01:04:48] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm not speaking of relations. I'm speaking in this totality. I'm not even just speaking on relationships. I'm speaking on. [01:04:55] Speaker B: But we owned in. On. [01:04:57] Speaker A: On. But I mean, in this totality, as of lately, people have been using these certain words or trigger words and trying mental health terms. Yes. [01:05:09] Speaker C: Some of boundaries and red flags, gaslighting, all that. [01:05:12] Speaker A: I think some people weaponize that shit to escape. [01:05:15] Speaker B: They use responsibility. Yeah. They use it to their advantage to escape. [01:05:20] Speaker C: But most don't. [01:05:22] Speaker A: I think most do. [01:05:23] Speaker C: I think most don't. [01:05:25] Speaker A: I think most do. [01:05:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:26] Speaker A: Because it's been times and I'm. [01:05:29] Speaker B: There are. There are like a percentage of people that do and their percentage of. And I'm not gonna say it's 50. 50. It may be 70, 30. It may be 60, 40. You know, I mean, like, I try my best and it's a work in progress. And that's just me being transparent. [01:05:48] Speaker A: Right. [01:05:49] Speaker B: With trusting. Trusting. Excuse me, My community as a whole, with a lot of things that. I may have indirectly chose this over here. Like, I try to hold us as a whole accountable, but I do Pick and choose whom when it comes down to us that I deal with. I know it ain't or ain't female when I see it. So no, so no ma'am, I don't want you to make me an outfit or something like that or no sir, I don't want you to cut my hair because of X, Y and Z. Like, but I do try to. Like there is a lot of. [01:06:33] Speaker C: You know, we're having two different conversations. [01:06:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:38] Speaker B: So what I. [01:06:42] Speaker A: What I'm. What I'm saying is that we have, as a black community, have stepped into the realm of mental health. Right. All together. [01:06:52] Speaker C: Which is a good thing. [01:06:53] Speaker A: Right. Which is a great thing. What I'm saying is some people weaponize mental health as a way to stay in a certain space. They're not really trying to grow from that space. [01:07:06] Speaker B: Understood. Okay. Okay. [01:07:09] Speaker C: It's not just black people. [01:07:13] Speaker A: Yeah. I'm just speaking to like we're portion of people. We're new to this as a community, as black people. Because we. [01:07:20] Speaker C: Right. [01:07:21] Speaker A: Life, I mean it's always been pray to away or just ignore it. Right, right. So now everyone is in this space of wanting to seek, you know, mental release or being able to be vulnerable or being able to express themselves, whatever the case may be. Right. But what I'm saying is I find. [01:07:38] Speaker B: That some people use it for. [01:07:39] Speaker A: I see more people weaponizing it than I do. And I can use. And I can go out of the relationship situation, I can go into a personal friendship where I seen somebody keep making excuses or like, yo, I'm not doing it because I gotta protect my piece and I gotta, I gotta do this, I gotta do that. Well, how you expect. [01:07:58] Speaker B: So do you think it's at a. It's at a, it's at an all time high now. Because I've always, I think the majority of us in here before there was a boundaries word gaslighting or protecting my peace. We all have done something to protect all of those words that we just utilized. It's just now that it's, it's, it's, it's popular, it's a hype. But I've always stopped fucking with a cuz he not good for me in the sense of friendship. I've always not dealt, dealt with a woman because she wasn't good for me or she just wasn't ain't and she was after what I had or she was infatuated with the likeness of what she think I can do. But now it's just highlighting. [01:08:53] Speaker A: Weaponized it though. [01:08:54] Speaker B: Weaponized it, bro. So let me say this. And this is just for me. Like, I've never been like. And this does apply. I've never been like a real big social media person to where I get my. My thoughts and my feelings from those avenues. I've always been one. Like, if you ask. Oh, what happened to such and such. What happened to Tone? Yeah, I had to stop fucking with Shorty because X, Y, and Z, I. I've never been in that realm of right. So certain things. So, like, if I don't with you and you're not good for me, I'll leave you alone. So. All right. Gaslighting, Protecting my piece. So I don't you up. I got. [01:09:40] Speaker A: I got an example for you. So what's that movie? Two can play this game, I think. What's the movie with Vivica Fox and Morris Chestnut and Billy? [01:09:48] Speaker B: Is that what Bill Bellamy. [01:09:50] Speaker A: I don't know if he's in there, but I know Morris Chestnut. [01:09:52] Speaker B: Yes. To complain. [01:09:53] Speaker A: So I remember a scene where he was like, yeah, I asked her to get me curly fries, and she brought me the curly fries. And I didn't want to fuck with her no more because whatever the case may be, he said, I started an argument because even though she got the right shit, he started an argument, said, no, I asked for crinkly fries to escape some type of conversation that he. [01:10:18] Speaker B: Didn'T want to be that. That attached to that particular one. [01:10:21] Speaker A: No, he was trying to escape. He. He didn't want to deal with her no more. So he was trying to escape the conversation of saying that I didn't want to deal with you anymore. So what he did was he started an argument to escape. And he. In that argument, he was like, see you, not you. You always doing this. You're not listening. [01:10:37] Speaker B: I get it. So, yeah, that is a form of gaslighting, but now it has a. Now it has a word attached to it, right? [01:10:43] Speaker A: So I'm saying I believe that some people. Not some. I believe most people within our community misusing that. That's what I'm saying. [01:10:52] Speaker B: They may have, but niggas been doing that shit for fucking forever. Like you. We've been gaslighting, setting boundaries, and, yo, we've been doing that, but now there's a popular term for it because of social media, but it's always been gaslighting. It's always been this or whatever. It's always been that. But now we just got a word to use with it to make it sound slick, man. [01:11:15] Speaker A: No, I get what you saying. I'M just saying I think people weaponize. I think people use it to escape certain conversations, certain responsibilities, maybe, but they. [01:11:25] Speaker B: But. But before, they were doing it, just not using those words. [01:11:29] Speaker A: No, I feel what you're saying. I'm not saying. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I just think people weaponize it. Now, I don't think people weaponize. [01:11:37] Speaker B: So when I say I'm answering your question, what. What do you. What do you. [01:11:42] Speaker A: So what I'm saying is that, bro, you gaslighting me. Yeah. What I'm saying is I think people have stepped into a space where when they don't want to deal with an altercation, they don't want to deal with a situation, they use a positive. This positive or mental health acronym acronym to escape actually having to deal with it. [01:12:04] Speaker B: Okay. [01:12:05] Speaker A: Which I think is wrong. And I just use relationships as an example. But it's other aspects of it. [01:12:10] Speaker B: It is wrong. Yeah, we know. [01:12:12] Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. [01:12:13] Speaker B: Yo, bro, like, we know that, but it ain't gonna stop overnight. It's gonna be another word for gaslighting. [01:12:22] Speaker C: I want to ask you a question. So you. You don't like when somebody. You use the word escape when they escape a situation by saying, I'm gonna protect my peace, so I'm gonna leave this situation alone? [01:12:32] Speaker A: Yes. [01:12:33] Speaker C: Because you think that's cowardly? Like, I mean. [01:12:35] Speaker A: I mean, it doesn't make sense to me because again, if. If there's a conversation and I'm used without the relationship shit, I'm gonna use from a friendship. [01:12:43] Speaker B: That was a tongue twister. [01:12:45] Speaker A: Right from the point of the friendship, me and this particular person was having a conversation. I'm like, yo, all right. The conversation was, I need to make more money. All right, bet. Go do this, do this, do that, do this, man, I'm not trying to do that. Like, it's already tough working. [01:13:04] Speaker B: You want me to do it for you? Oh, that's the conversation that we had. [01:13:08] Speaker A: What? [01:13:08] Speaker B: In the shop? Was that in the shop? [01:13:10] Speaker A: Yes. Not recently, but we've had that conversation. [01:13:13] Speaker B: No, no, no, it wasn't recently, bro. [01:13:16] Speaker A: But pretty much the person was saying, like, I. I'm mentally not ready, like, and all. And all these things. But I'm like, is it really the. The mental health part, or you just really don't want to do it and you're making. You're using. [01:13:30] Speaker B: You didn't do it. [01:13:31] Speaker A: The mental health. No, not me in the sense. They just. With saying, like, they wanted to do more in this realm, in this space. And then when you give them the suggestion of doing that, like, okay, bro, work overtime here, get you a second job here. Oh, no, like when am I ever gonna have time for myself? I need to be able to decompress. So I don't wanna excuse this excuse. [01:13:55] Speaker B: But you don't think that's them if they reach out, if I call you and say, hey, Tony, yeah, you know, I ain't getting no taller. And you know a way for me to get taller? And I tell you, man, shit, I don't even got enough time for that. But I called you for a resolution. You don't think that's that individual not saying, just you, just people in general, including yourself, they calling you because they want you to do it for them? [01:14:26] Speaker A: No, not necessarily. [01:14:27] Speaker C: Some people just want to talk and complain. [01:14:29] Speaker A: Some people? Yeah, some people get complainers. [01:14:31] Speaker B: There's a, there's a group that complain, but there's a group that, that wants you to give them a rest but also do it for them. Am I lying? [01:14:39] Speaker A: No, it is. [01:14:40] Speaker C: But I think both, both. [01:14:41] Speaker B: But the comments, you know, that both of them are true. [01:14:43] Speaker A: I think the conversation would just be a little different if somebody wants you to do it for them. You know what I'm saying? [01:14:47] Speaker B: No, I think people, sometimes people pussy foot around what they really want and they give you the whole, and they give you the whole, right, there you go, good work. And they, they foot around what they really want when really they want you to say. It's like me like saying, damn, I, I swear to God, I wish I did. I need $20. I don't know where I'm gonna get it from, blah, blah. [01:15:11] Speaker A: But that's the time. [01:15:12] Speaker B: My process of calling you was for you to say, bro, you want me to Apple pay you or sell you. [01:15:16] Speaker A: But that's again, that's a different, that's a different conversation because now you're, you're saying keywords to say, I don't know what I'm gonna do. I don't know where I'm gonna get this from, da da da. But in that situation it was just like, well, I know you can work overtime in these spaces. I know you have that. You get off at 3:00, you could go and work a second job for four hours here. So why don't you just go do that? And then they using certain keywords like, oh my peace, you know, when am I gonna have time for myself? I gotta decompress. [01:15:47] Speaker B: It's all, it's all excuses like Maybe. [01:15:50] Speaker C: They was talking through and trying to balance baby. [01:15:52] Speaker B: Okay, like, sometimes you do need to think. [01:15:54] Speaker C: But is it more important than protecting my piece? Like, do I want to work so work so much where I don't even have any free time for myself to even enjoy this extra money. So it could be just talking. [01:16:06] Speaker A: I understand that and I respect that, but my point being is you're using certain phrases and certain words to either escape it instead of just saying like, yo, I don't want to do that. That's not what I want to do. Right. [01:16:19] Speaker B: Yeah. People are not. Not good with being up front tone. So that, like. [01:16:23] Speaker A: Right. [01:16:23] Speaker B: No, no, I understand it, but I was about to. We're about. [01:16:27] Speaker A: Can I finish my thought? [01:16:28] Speaker B: No, no, because. No, I gotta cut you off. [01:16:30] Speaker A: No, no, no. We got two minutes. I can finish this in two minutes. [01:16:33] Speaker B: All right, Two minutes. [01:16:34] Speaker A: So, long story. Pretty much what I'm saying is some people just use certain keywords again to escape certain responsibilities or to just be coddled or stay in certain places cases, really what they're saying is. And to go back to the relationship aspect, what that person was saying when it came to the baby mother situation is, I'm not ready to date and I don't trust. That's what she was really saying. I told her, I said, you. You're just not ready today. You don't trust, so why not say that? Versus trying to make it about protecting my peas. [01:17:05] Speaker C: That's the same. [01:17:06] Speaker B: No, it's not. No, no, no. Actually, no. If you know you're not ready to date, but you want to date, you not ready to date. [01:17:15] Speaker A: That's. That's two different. [01:17:16] Speaker C: Could have been ready to date and then something that happened and realized like, oh, my God. [01:17:23] Speaker A: No, we ended it here, y'all. We be back next.